Using the BOS password or picking the lock will cause a Brotherhood of Steel squad to appear and confiscate the Courier's entire inventory. A short scene follows in which the Courier is questioned by Senior Paladin Ramos about the password itself.
A meeting with Elder McNamara follows and the first quest is assigned. The elder will explain the secretive nature of the location. The Courier is fitted with an explosive collar , which will detonate after passing beyond a certain range of the area. After exiting the elder's chamber, the Courier is confronted by Head Paladin Hardin who believes the elder's policy of keeping them isolated from the outside world will be their doom and wants help in ousting Elder McNamara.
He asks the Courier to find out more about what leads to an elder being replaced and requests an update on all the quests given by the elder. These are all marked as optional parts of the same quest. Once finished with the tour, enter the door to the left in the planetarium and up the stairs to get the keycard. Go back to the first room and through the locked door using the card.
Find the door to the second floor and take the first door on the left. Hack the terminal Very Easy , beside a Nikola Tesla and You , and select the first option which gives unlimited access to the second floor. Find the door heading to the third floor and enter.
Search the paladins near the rubble for the mission statement Matiz and leave there is also a 3rd Level security pass located in Piers Isley's briefcase , next to his skeleton. The location of the paladin can change from game to game because of the artillery the Boomers fire when the Courier first approaches Nellis. Here is one probable location: After the Boomers stop bombing, stand at the entrance to Nellis. Head south-southwest up the hill and pass between the car and road barricade.
There is a bombed house directly ahead. Continue south-southwest down the road to the house next door. There is a backyard behind that house bordered by a wall with ornamental decorations. In the backyard, there is a crater with a car in it. The paladin Raseleanne should be in or nearby that crater. Take the mission statement from her. To pass the bombing, do not do as the note says. Just run left toward the fence staying as close as possible to the rocks and go along the fence to reach the gate.
After exiting the Hidden Valley bunker , aim directly in between northeast and east on the Pip-Boy compass. Follow this to a hole in the fence and follow the trail left to Black Mountain. It is possible to access the cage from Black Mountain with a Lockpick skill of at least The gate is just behind the radio station. The paladin Fairbanks holding the mission statement is at the bottom of the crater.
Return to the bunker and hand over the tapes to McNamara, or talk to Head Paladin Hardin who will accept the holotapes and use them as evidence to oust McNamara. If the Courier chooses to help Head Paladin Hardin, start by researching previous elders' dismissals in the scribe archive data store. Doing this requires the problem with the Hidden Valley computer virus to be resolved.
Speak with Scribe Ibsen about fixing the virus. After the virus is isolated, consult the datastore, then talk to Paladin Ramos about 'The Chain that Binds. Return to the archives and read about 'The Chain That Binds. Once the tapes are found, talk to Hardin. He states that the tapes reveal McNamara gave his men new orders without his knowledge, thus breaking 'The Chain That Binds', and is sufficient reason to have McNamara removed. He says the process will take a few days.
The screen will go black, and when the scene resumes, he is now Elder Hardin. This will effectively conclude the quest, eliminating the need for further steps. Hardin will give the Courier a key to the Brotherhood of Steel safehouse. After giving McNamara the holotapes , he will ask the Courier to find 3 scouts. Head to each scout and start a conversation; the first option should mention "Are the bears still hunting? Collect all three and give them to McNamara. The first scout is located on the northeast end of the NCR Correctional Facility , relatively close to the facility, and relatively low to the ground.
Side Quest 5 Answers. Ask A Question. Browse More Questions. Keep me logged in on this device. Forgot your username or password? So far has been so good, but now I've come to an impasse I could use some advice on. I want the Brotherhood of Steel to be one of my allies. If I choose Hardin, I'm unable to mend their relations to the NCR, but this isn't really a problem considering I don't want them around anyway.
However, if I do choose him, will I be able to gain their support during the final battle if I'm just Accepted and haven't actually joined them? I ask because if I do want to, my test is to kill the Van Graffs. I don't want to do this since I've already helped them and killing them would decrease my rep in Freeside, which I don't want either. User Info: Bat Bat 9 years ago 4 Actually, killing the Van Graffs does not lower your Freeside reputation or karma, neither does stealing from them.
User Info: cheeco88 cheeco88 Topic Creator 9 years ago 5 Oh fo-rizzle? User Info: jonas66 jonas66 9 years ago 7 "If Hardin was in charge, this would change and the BoS would be making themselves known and feared once again, meaning others wouldn't think twice before exterminating them.
User Info: Bat Bat 9 years ago 8 A easy way to kill the Van Graffs is, if you haven't done Birds of a Feather, start it, and let the guy with the revolver in. User Info: red red 9 years ago 9 cheeco88 posted User Info: AquamanOS AquamanOS 9 years ago 10 Neither of them is really going to help the Brotherhood in the end, which would require more drastic change and oh I don't know perhaps not marking everyone with advanced tech an enemy.
Global Achievements. Nevander View Profile View Posts. I've read is possible to have McNamara stepped down and Hardin as Elder and still get the truce with NCR, but the way the wiki puts it is misleading and confusing. The wiki says: "There is a way to oust McNamara and have a peaceful outcome. However, after talking to Hardin and beginning the process of overthrowing McNamara, simply don't go back to the bunker until after speaking to Moore about the Brotherhood.
Hardin doesn't "officially" become Elder until the Courier returns to the bunker. Must I complete Still in the Dark, and then get the truce, and at that point bring up the chain that binds with Hardin? Someone please clear this up for me. Showing 1 - 12 of 12 comments. The wiki is misleading. Sometimes the quest trigger where Hardin is flagged as an Elder does not start, true, but in reality if you side with him, you MUST kill the BoS if you want to complete the game.
I don't know what the Elder talked to you about, but I can tell you this chapter is in trouble, and he's at the center of it. Are you willing to listen to what I have to say? Every second we sit on our hands down here is another second that we're not fulfilling our sworn duty. We're safe, yes, but at what cost? We need to know what's going on out there. Next, I'd resume patrols in the near vicinity, and begin sending search teams out to the spots the scouts reported were relatively safe.
It's standard procedure when a chapter relocates to an area, but standard procedure wasn't our last Elder's style, either. Going to wipe the slate clean. Kimball, the Republic Hardin, McNamara, my "brothers. Hidden Valley bunker. Brotherhood of Steel.
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